Op-Ed: Protect the Irvine Village Concept in Neighborhoods Near Great Park

New neighborhoods near the northern edge of the Great Park lack village-style shopping nearby. To date, the developers have not implemented the “Irvine Village” system – in which housing, parks, schools, and shopping are all within a village. The City has a brief window of time to step in and require plans for the area to be redrawn, before the village concept becomes a quaint relic of Irvine’s past.
The issue is likely to come up indirectly at the Planning Commission meeting on October 3, 2019, 5:30 pm at City Hall. The Commission is asked to approve “an athletic lifestyle resort” along Irvine Boulevard, instead of a village shopping center the area desperately needs.
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The Irvine Village System
Irvine was designed with a village structure in mind. The city would have multiple villages. Each village would have housing, parks, schools, and shopping. People who lived in other villages could shop in a different village. But for everyday things like groceries, sundries, pharmacy, and the like, a resident could shop within their village. ( “Irvine functions as a collection of villages each with its own shopping center so residents need not travel far for groceries or basic services.”, Exploring Land Use Changes in the City of Irvine’s Master Plan, USC Masters Thesis of Julia Lynn Goldsworth, p. 4)
This structure has been lauded internationally since at least the 1970’s. Many feel the villages are the fundamental residential building blocks of the City.
My Shopping Trip From Great Park Neighborhoods
Neighborhoods near the Great Park enjoy an enviable location, near extensive sports fields, a world-class ice skating/hockey facility, year-round events and, eventually, a beautiful park and cultural terrace. They feed into the best-in-the-nation public schools of Irvine Unified School District. They have the same 281 sunny days per year and moderate climate as the rest of Irvine.
But at least some of the new neighborhoods don’t appear to follow the village system. My friends who live in newer communities in or near Great Park Neighborhoods, especially those near Irvine Boulevard, report they feel there is no village-style shopping. Instead, they go outside of the area to shop and tell me it can be an ordeal.
To test these reports, I took a trip last weekend to personally experience day-to-day level shopping from a Great Park Neighborhood. I started in a neighborhood still under construction along Irvine Boulevard. My GPS reported a couple of options for shopping. I could travel to Woodbury Town Center to the Northwest, or drive into the city of Lake Forest, among others.
I choose Woodbury which the GPS indicated was 2.3 miles away. At first glance, this seemed like a reasonable distance. But I was in for a disappointing surprise.
Irvine Boulevard in that area has four (4) lanes in one direction, and three (3) in the other, for a total of seven (7) lanes. The Boulevard at that point was a high capacity road with a significant volume of cars. Something like a highway. Driving along it was a bit stressful.
Turning into Woodbury Town Center, I noted it was a large shopping center with big box stores. There is a Home Depot, Michaels, and others. Also groceries, a drug store, restaurants and the like. The parking area in the center seemed enormous. Walking from the parking to the grocery store was a long hike, and there were many driving cars to avoid.
After finally finishing, I drove back along Irvine Boulevard to the starting point. I felt a bit frazzled. This was not the low-key, low stress shopping we’re accustomed to in our village area. I note other villages have relatively low-stress, convenient village shopping. A few examples are Woodbridge, Quail Hill, Los Olivos, Northwood, among several others.
Build a Village-Level Shopping Center, and Soon
My impression is that the new neighborhoods near Irvine Boulevard, including but not limited to large portions of Great Park Neighborhoods, need at least one village-style shopping center. This would be a smaller shopping center that would include a grocery store, a drug store (e.g. CVS, RiteAid, a small Target), dining options, perhaps a gym and other stores. Like some other shopping centers in Irvine, this village-style shopping center should include relaxing spaces with tables, chairs and grassy areas to serve as a village gathering place.
While I feel a single small to medium sized shopping center is unlikely to be enough to bring a traditional “Irvine Village Feel” to the new neighborhoods, at a minimum it would improve daily life for thousands of people. Also, there is considerable new construction, with housing for thousands of people slated for construction extending generally adjacent to Portola High School. I am not aware of a shopping center planned for those folks, who may otherwise need to shop in Lake Forest, depriving Irvine of tax revenue.
Applicant Should Withdraw Zoning Request and Instead Submit Plan for a Village Shopping Center
Turning now to Item 4.3 on the Planning Commission Agenda, many fitness facilities in Irvine are part of a shopping center. One example is the LA Fitness at the Crossroads shopping center, which includes a Target (which sells groceries), restaurants, and numerous other stores. There is another LA Fitness at 3021 Michelson near Jamboree and the 405. That fitness center is in a center that includes Mothers Market, restaurants, and other stores. Other examples in Irvine are plentiful.
Applicant here wishes to have a single luxury “athletic resort” along Irvine Boulevard. The parcel of land is near the northern portion of the “ARDA” property, which members of the Council have suggested be zoned for light retail. (My understanding from city staff is that the rest of ARDA may be zoned for something akin to park land).
Typically, fitness facilities and dining halls at shopping centers attract customers who then shop in adjacent retail stores. Without a gym or dining hall in the shopping center, retail revenue suffers. By building the more profitable gym in a stand-alone fashion, will the master developer of Great Park Neighborhoods draw customers away from the less profitable light retail shopping center on City land? Should a fitness center and/or dining hall be part of the proposed retail center instead? The City needs to develop a carefully-considered business plan for the area to increase the odds that the retail center on City land will be financially viable.
I urge the Planning Commission to reject the zoning request for this single fitness facility, and instead instruct City staff to collaborate with the Applicant to develop a comprehensive plan for commercial space in the area. The plan will include a financially sound, village-level shopping center.
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11 Comments
Branda Lin
September 30, 2019 at 9:21 amThanks for this great article, Scott! There have been so many questions about when a shopping center would be coming into the Great Park. The Great Park is busy building everything BUT a shopping center for those residents. And now they want a luxury gym instead without giving us the shopping center that land was intended for? How about we get the two shopping centers for the residents first. All the following neighborhoods have to use the Woodbury Town Center as its only nearby Irvine option:
– Altair
– Portola Springs
– Stonegate
– Eastwood Village
– Pavillion Park
– Parasol Park
– Beacon Park
– Cadence Park
– Woodbury
– Cypress Village East
What happened to the great planning our city used to be known for? It seems we are no longer building and planning responsibility, for the residents.
Scott Hansen
September 30, 2019 at 10:43 amQuick Article Summary: Irvine’s building a “Great Park.” It’s amazing in many respects. But homes are going up nearby that don’t have convenient access to basic shopping. That’s not the Irvine tradition, known as “Village Concept.” The City and relevant developer(s) should fix it while they can.
Susan Sayre
September 30, 2019 at 12:19 pmScott, I totally agree. Irvine’s general plan gives priority to the village master plan concept of giving priority to preferred uses (amenities that support local neighborhoods) over permitted uses which are allowed for the zoning area. The fact that Five Point is proposing building a luxury fitness center before building a commercial center for the Great Park Neighborhoods community is outrageous and is not consistent with the village master plan concept which is supported by the Irvine’s General Plan.
Thank you for your research and your detailed post!
Scott Hansen
September 30, 2019 at 1:25 pmThank you, Susan. I should add a further quick summary of my thoughts on a proposed solution: Build a gym, food hall, and retail all together. The gym and food hall draw people to the retail, increase the odds the center will be financially successful.
Susan Sayre
September 30, 2019 at 3:06 pmGreat Idea Scott! I would not object to permitting the Fitness Center on condition that they build the food hall and commercial center before or at the same time as the Fitness Center. I understand that they would be building a private road and a parking structure. The parking structure should be required to support the parking needs for the both the Fitness Center and the commercial retail center.
Branda Lin
October 1, 2019 at 2:32 pmFivePoint is asking for a 4-story parking structure for this large fitness center. This land is supposed to be used for retail for the residents.
When they zoned the land for the thousands of homes in the GP, they designated two areas as retail centers for the residents – this is one of them. But now FivePoint wants it to become LifeTime Fitness instead, which is not like any other gym. It’s more like the 24 Hour Ultra Sport by Il Fornaio by the 405/Von Karman.
No other shopping center has a 4 story parking structure in our city. If you ask me, they are trying to turn the area into something else. We need to put a stop to this. Please email the Council – just a sentence or two – we need a shopping center where it was originally planned, for all the current and future residents!
Once all 10,556 homes are built out in the GP alone, not counting Portola Springs, CV, and Eastwood, the problem will be a lot more apparent but too late if we allow this to happen. There are no other areas available for retail. We need to build for the residents!
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Susan Sayre
October 1, 2019 at 2:53 pmIt appears that the plan is for Five Point to build a commercial center some time in the future on the ARDA site which is city land at this point in time. Five Point should build the commercial center on their own land! Why should the city be responsible for providing the commercial center for the Great Park Neighborhoods residents when doing so is the responsibility of Five Point?
Scott Hansen
October 5, 2019 at 4:05 pmFollow-up after Oct. 3 Planning Commission meeting: With regard to the shopping portion of the issue, FivePoint’s representative Mr. Strader responded to Commissioner Knowland’s questions by indicating FivePoint would soon propose a Ralphs-level grocery store and a CVS/RiteAid-level store about 1.5 miles from this gym site. Comm Knowland: (01:14:05): “[I[f I wanted to get my groceries, is that something I could do at that site? I see Mr Strader nodding his head. Okay. So if I want to go get groceries, if I want to go to a drug store, CVS, Rite aid, whatever, that will be an opportunity for me. And it’s going to be maybe one and a half miles away. And that’s going to be part of a larger development, is that correct? [Mr. Strader nods his head yes].” It wasn’t clear to me if FivePoint had already been planning the grocery/CVS-type stores, or if this was a commitment in response to the Commissioner’s questioning.
Scott Hansen
October 5, 2019 at 4:35 pmRegarding Irvine Watchdog’s suggestion that Irvine Company, the City, and FivePoint work together to create a commercial plan for the area, Commissioner Huang raised it with Mr. Strader, who thought it is a “great idea.” Mr. Strader also explained how one developer not knowing the other’s plans in advance creates a challenge for planning:
Comm. Huang [1:44:27] “[T]here has been suggestion tonight that five point Irvine company and the city worked together to create an overall retail map…a commercial zone map. Uh, what’s the challenge of doing something like that?”
Mr. Strader [1:44:38] “I wish I could be at the Irvine company…behind the scenes planning to know what’s coming next, but not being able to be in there. Everybody, all the different companies in the city, you have to be a little bit flexible with regard to their planning because if the Irvine company, for example, were to put a grocery store on the corner of sand Canyon and gray park Boulevard, if FivePoint were to try to put one a thousand yards to the right of it, that would be difficult. So that’s just one answer. The second one I alluded to earlier with the ARDA site when the city council uh, came forward and said that the city itself wanted to reserve some retail zoning on the ARDA North site that then impacted FivePoint’s planning. But to answer your big question, I think it’s a great idea and I think a staff took a, a great first step with the map that they showed you with the concentric rings and we’d be happy to keep collaborating with them to make sure that they always have an up to date, a map to share with you guys.”
philfuchs
October 9, 2019 at 6:01 pmScott, sorry to say that I completely disagree with your Red Hat, MIGA (Make Irvine Great Again) agenda stated in your above OP-ED, As a resident living in one of the Great Park Neighborhoods I think you might first start by asking us what we need in our community just like representatives from FivePoint’s commercial business group have. They have provided us residents with a vision that will make our living much better than what the older villages have. I have lived in Irvine for over 40+ years and know much about this area.
Yes, it is true our parking stalls are painted with white paint and not green which must rub a certain Irvine Company executive raw but hey, we like them white. Also, yes you will not find a single bird-of-paradise gracing the soft landscapes with the GPN or its future commercial areas. Our landscaping is built to be drought tolerant using plants indigenous to our region and not imported from the Mediterranean.
Thank all of you for “coming to our rescue”, but wait, we have not asked for any rescue help. Especially not from the Red Hats of Woodbridge and Turtle Rock. If you really want to help out an Irvine village without their own shopping center start with Portola Springs, Turtle Rock or Shady Canyon and please leave us in the GPN alone with your Irvine Company (TIC) archaic philosophy.
Scott Hansen
October 9, 2019 at 8:24 pmDear Mr. Fuchs: Thank you for your note. Always glad to get input from readers! Best, Scott Hansen
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